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(@dblotii)
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While the engine-out NOx emissions of a properly done are fairly low, they are not nearly low-enough to pass US, Europe, or Asia NOx standards.  The only reliable and robust way to meet current and future NOx standards is with a 3-way catalyst, because a TWC is better than 99% efficient at reducing NOx.  A TWC will not work with any non-stoichiometric engine (like SPCC or Diesel).  Not meeting NOx standards is what nearly sunk VW with Diesel-gate.  This is the basic reason why Diesel engines are going away for pass-cars and why no one is likely to ever introduce another lean-burn gasoline engine to production.  It is possible to meet all of the emissions standards with a lean-burn engine, but it is very expensive (at least an extra $1000 in NOx reduction aftertreatment) and the solution is not very robust and durability is un-proven.  The engine-out NOx emissions of the best Diesel or HCCI engines are not even close to being low enough to meet US or Europe standards.

Today, engine-out emissions are not important as long as the engine can run stoichiometric, and now most new engines even run Stoich at full-load.  

The SkyActive-X engine has too many expensive features:  Diesel-like fuel system, Supercharger (required for the combustion system), Cylinder pressure-sensor system (also requires a powerful ECU), and lean NOx aftertreatment (will use Ad-blue (Urea injection)).  The SC is more expensive than a turbo, and pressure sensor system is not used by anyone in production yet.

The Skyactive-X is not a true Atkinson-cycle, it is a Miller-cycle engine which is in production by many companies.  This is an example of a true Atkinson engine: 

Many companies call their Miller cycle engines "Atkinson cycle

True Atkinson, variable Compression Ratio, Divided Exhaust Turbocharging are some examples of promising future engine tech.

 

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Posted : October 25, 2019 3:22 pm
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Posted by: @dblotii

@refirendum

While the engine-out NOx emissions of a properly done are fairly low, they are not nearly low-enough to pass US, Europe, or Asia NOx standards.  The only reliable and robust way to meet current and future NOx standards is with a 3-way catalyst, because a TWC is better than 99% efficient at reducing NOx.  A TWC will not work with any non-stoichiometric engine (like SPCC or Diesel).  Not meeting NOx standards is what nearly sunk VW with Diesel-gate.  This is the basic reason why Diesel engines are going away for pass-cars and why no one is likely to ever introduce another lean-burn gasoline engine to production.  It is possible to meet all of the emissions standards with a lean-burn engine, but it is very expensive (at least an extra $1000 in NOx reduction aftertreatment) and the solution is not very robust and durability is un-proven.  The engine-out NOx emissions of the best Diesel or HCCI engines are not even close to being low enough to meet US or Europe standards.

Today, engine-out emissions are not important as long as the engine can run stoichiometric, and now most new engines even run Stoich at full-load.  

The SkyActive-X engine has too many expensive features:  Diesel-like fuel system, Supercharger (required for the combustion system), Cylinder pressure-sensor system (also requires a powerful ECU), and lean NOx aftertreatment (will use Ad-blue (Urea injection)).  The SC is more expensive than a turbo, and pressure sensor system is not used by anyone in production yet.

The Skyactive-X is not a true Atkinson-cycle, it is a Miller-cycle engine which is in production by many companies.  This is an example of a true Atkinson engine: 

Many companies call their Miller cycle engines "Atkinson cycle

True Atkinson, variable Compression Ratio, Divided Exhaust Turbocharging are some examples of promising future engine tech.

 

i see.

emissions aside, the actual efficiency obtained through SCCI is still nothing to throw out the window. 

 

03 spyder

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Posted : October 25, 2019 6:16 pm
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yes but only at low to moderate loads, which of course covers most normal driving.  You will see that the Mazda 3 with SkyActiveX will have very good but not outstanding fuel economy

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Posted : October 26, 2019 10:48 am
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