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Petrus
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Any here familiar with the 2CV? 

It has incredibly soff and even longer still wheel travel. Large diameter, narrow wheels too. 

It is the ant-thesis of main stream tuning for road holding conception. Yet is has jaw dropping road holding. 

Imo it is a ´madatory´ experience for anyine wanting tp improve the roadholding of his/her car.

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/citroen-2cv-twisty-road/

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Posted : June 1, 2020 6:17 am
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 dev
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 That is an example of a one trick pony comfortable in its environment but it does demonstrate matching the tires to the suspension to optimize grip in an extreme way. If you change one variable like lowering, adding stiffer suspension and so on it will handle worse.  There are trade offs of any suspension when you mess with it  and having it softer is better for the average driver at the limits however for a skilled driver they can take advantage of better tires and stiffer suspension but again it depends on the set up and matching it with the tires.

This is primarily why so many people fail with adding racing suspension on a street car with all season tires they want to rotate. The reason why I bring this up is I have seen some that follow this logic and then try to fix it with wider all season tires and lots of camber.  

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Posted : June 1, 2020 8:45 am
Petrus
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The biggest thing is mismatching the needs of the driving condiitions with the set up.

´Common knowledge´ is all but exclusively oriented on track tuning. Real world tarmac requires a different set up.

A sports car used for back road scrubbing is yet another step further removed from track conditions.

The 2CV is for many a real world user a more useful perspective than the myriad of track tuned hypercars.

The other example is the Renault 4 btw.  Very much the same thing only a small step less extreme. In the only 5000 soles mountain village where I live there are still several in daily use! Any of those stateside?

Also the Renault 4 GTL was even homologated for Group A Rally. Jacky Cesbron raced one in the Monte Carlo Rally in 1993 and the Tour de Corse in 1991. Pinto dos Santos raced a Group N 4 GTL in visiting every round of the WRC. To celebrate the car's 50th birthday, Renault themselves offcially entered the R4 in the Monte Carlo Rally in 2011.

 

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Posted : June 1, 2020 9:21 am
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