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I now have something to report.  Since adding my new passenger side motor mount I think my impressions were offset  because there was more of a difference from going back to a OEM mount from a stiff poly mount. I think the OEM mount changed the position of how the motor sits from how it was.  I had some other weird issues like I was driving on worn CV joints when I put a lot of load on the drivetrain and I think that was due to the change in angle of the drivetrain with the new mount but its gone now. 

I let the car sit for months and I think the weight of the engine has placed stress on the new rubber and it has changed for the better.

I started driving the car about a month ago and chalked up the pulley as not having much benefit. As I kept driving the car and no longer paying attention to the pulley I noticed how smooth my gear shifting has become just driving the car normally. The timing of engaging the clutch and going into the next gear is smooth as silk, I mean noticeable ease of getting into gear. I think ISpy describes it well.  

 Its possible that reducing the alternator drag shock that reduces engine speed more abruptly  between shifts might actually make matching the gears better by helping the synchronizers to match gear speeds better kind of like a throttle blip that you don't hear or notice.  Im just thinking out loud but could it be like match shifting where you have less abrupt shifts so the car does not become unsettled but at a lower rpm and all the time.  I know it has been theorized that the engine slows down faster bringing down the engine speed but thats doesn't appear to be happening, just the opposite. 

 I have owned this car for a very long time and know my car like the back of my hand with small changes. This is for sure a change but I was actually concentrating only on one area which was performance shifting but its best felt just driving around at normal gear changes. 

 

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Posted : October 29, 2020 1:33 pm
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I was thinking about this yesterday  as I cant wrap my head around what is happening. It then occurred to me that this OAD pulley keeps the engine from decelerating rapidly during the shift. Even though it is felt in the shifter being smoother I think the actual effect is felt similar to a mild form of  rev matching but in this case its all the time which includes upshifts.  

 I have a grabby kevlar clutch that if I let out too quickly I can bog the engine when I shift at lower RPMs. Therefore the effect I feel is greater when I shift from 1st to second but I feel it the most from 2nd to 3rd. The weird thing is its mostly felt in the shifter like it has improved but that might be a phantom perception. 

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Posted : October 30, 2020 10:39 am
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Smooth is the word! Mine is still going fine, as is the one I put in the TSX before I sold it. I've been trying to source one that will work on my Subaru but it's looking unlikely. Glad you're enjoying it!

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Posted : October 30, 2020 5:44 pm
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I believe I was wrong.  I now believe the change is in the gear box and that is why getting into gear during up shifts feels so much more positive. 

 I had a problem wrapping my head around this so I decided to do a deep search. On a Smart car forum they were doing the same thing and one person said it was not only smoother the up shifts were quicker. They have a dual clutch transmission I think. They believe that engine spins down quicker satisfying the conditions for the next gear change by the ECU. 

 Basically in a nutshell I was wrong about what happens when the alternator is decoupled. Instead of  decreasing  the rate of rpms dropping it actually makes the rpms come down quicker like a lightweight flywheel. This is what was originally thought and it is true but also a good thing. I also found a tech article siting that lightweight flywheels do make upshifts easier but it is negated when you re-engage the clutch because of the loss of momentum in the lightness that can bog the car down in certain situations.

 When up shifting you want the input shaft speed to match the next gear as closely as possible so they mesh without grinding and for the ease of sliding into gear. For that reason we use synchronizers to slow down the next gear to make this happen in a modern transmission however synchronizers are not perfect if you over power them in the moment during fast shifting which can cause damaged due to wear over time and will result it un-smooth shifting. 

I now believe for a split second during the gear change the OAD pulley is decoupled when we let of the gas spinning  the engine down quicker  and just before the clutch is simultaneously disengaged with the stick following a path of disengaging the gear and engaging the next higher gear.  That little bit of decelerated speed makes getting into the next gear easier and quicker because the synchronizers timing of spinning down the gear to match is easier.  This might be the reason for the smooth upshifts being that its easier on the synchronizers matched with less resistance  when re-engaging the clutch since the OAD pulley is still disengaged during the event.  

 

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Posted : October 31, 2020 10:43 am
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